Message-ID: From: Matthias Leisi Newsgroups: ch.admin,ch.talk,ch.rec,ch.comp Subject: 2. CfV ch.comm, New ch.* voting rules Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:00:00 +0100 References: <384BA567.B784C63@sma.ch> <38596385@news.datacomm.ch> <846707.3vu3u97.0@this.duebi.ch> Followup-To: ch.admin Organization: (private) Reply-To: vote-2000-01@astrum.ch SECOND CALL FOR VOTES for the new newsgroup "ch.comm" and a change in the newsgroups creation guidelines of the ch.*-hierarchy For guidelines on how to vote see below near the vote ballot. Please read carefully. For voting questions please contact the vote taker. For questions about the proposed group / change please contact the proponents (see below for adresses). Votes must be received by April 10 2000 23:59:59 (CET). Vote taker: Matthias Leisi Distribution ============ Pointers to this CfV will be posted to: ch.comp.networks ch.comp.os.linux ch.comp.os.ms-windows ch.market ch.market.comp ch.market.jobs ch.rec New newsgroup ch.comm ===================== NEWSGROUP LINE: ch.comm Telecommunication in Switzerland CHARTER: This newsgroup is about telecommunication in Switzerland and covers everything related to it if there is not a special newsgroup covering the topic. The discussion may cover the following topics: - Discussion about different and/or new communication providers (telephony, internet access, mobile communications) in Switzerland. - Announcements of events related to telecommunication such as conferences and expositions. - Questions and answers about problems with different communication providers in Switzerland. - Discussion about communication equipement such as telephones and mobiles ("handies"). - Discussion about new communication features. Please state already in the subject what provider / system you are using if the problem you are discussing is related to it. Please note that for computer communication and networks the group ch.comp.networks exists. The group ch.comm is less computer related. It is strongly discouraged to crosspost between any newsgroups among the ch.* hierarchy. PROPONENT: Matthias Dübendorfer Adopted from an RfD bye Andreas Aemissegger Based on an idea by Mike Pfaff Change in the newsgroups creation guidelines ============================================ RATIONALE: The present voting rules in the ch.*-newsgroups impede the further development of the ch.* usenet-news hierarchy. The hurdle for the creation of a new group is set too high and allows a small minority to overrule the will of a vast majority. For example: the telecommunications group ch.comm could not be created due to the fact that only 9 voted against it. This in spite of 104 voting "Yes". The voting rules in other news hierarchies are less rigorous. Therefore it appears to be equitable to simplify the procedure currently in place. The proven rules of the de.*-newsgroups have been chosen as template. The proposed change ensures both, the prevention of a flood of new groups nobody needs as well as an easier creation of required groups/changes. CHANGE OF THE CHARTER CH.* ALL GROUPS: The present rules are (position 5.3 of the FAQ): [...] the new group will be created, if: - At least two third of all valid votes are on "YES", - at least 100 votes more on YES than on NO have been given. [...] The following passage will be reinserted in the charter of ch.* all groups : [...] To effectuate changes within the ch.*-usenet-hierarchy (i.e. creating new groups, alteration of the charter) the traditional voting procedure consisting of Requests for Discussions (RfD) and a Call for Votes (CfV) must be carried out. The proposal will be put in place, if: - at least two thirds of all valid votes are on "YES", - at least 60 votes on YES have been given. END CHARTER: all groups PROPONENTS (in alphabetical order): Matthias Duebendorfer Urs Gfeller André R. Mastel Mathieu von Rohr Dominique Stern Voting Procedure Notes ====================== Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account is valid. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the 'votes' account. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. The use of spam blockers or other munged addresses will prevent receiving an acknowledgement of your vote. If the address cannot be verified, the ballot will be disallowed. There is no need for munged addresses as in the final voting results list all adresses will be alienated. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within four days contact the votetaker about the problem. It is YOUR responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. How to vote =========== Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. DO NOT erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please do NOT send the entire CFV back to me. Give your name on the line that asks for it. Place ONLY your name (i.e., do not include your e-mail address or any other information). If you would like to remain anonymous, please contact the votetaker. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, insert ABSTAIN or just leave the space blank. Then mail the ballot to: vote-2000-01@astrum.ch Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here): [ YES ] foo.bar.fump [ NO ] foo.bar.gurk [ ABSTAIN ] foo.bar.misc If these instructions are unclear, please ask the votetaker. Matthias Leisi (Most of this text is derived from the work of Andreas Aemisegger ) The Ballot ========== -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ch.comm/ch.*-rules Ballot Give your real name here: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] ch.comm [ ] ch.*-rules -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The following persons have participated in the vote so far: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ adrian.suter*schweiz.org Adrian Suter andy*vis.ethz.ch Andreas Tscharner apetrali*ee.ethz.ch Andreas Petralia August.Blunschi*swissonline.ch Gusti Blunschi b.weidmann*pobox.com Benjamin Weidmann blacklotus*datacomm.ch Mike Pfaff bramseier*datacomm.ch Beat Ramseier buergler*webshuttle.ch Hansjuerg Buergler Christian.Jeker*swisscom.com Christian Jeker christoph.mueller*soz.unibe.ch Christoph Mueller chrjanser*gmx.ch Christoph Janser clk*freesurf.ch Christoph Kaufmann cornel.fuerer*helvetiapatria.ch Cornel Fuerer cstuder*bbox.ch christian studer d.scherer*gmx.ch Dieter Scherer dani*iridium.ch Daniel Rueegg daniel*folly.ch Daniel Folly ddo*sma.ch Matthias Dübendorfer e.rueegg*access.unizh.ch Erwin Rüegg ehrbarp*dial.eunet.ch Peter Ehrbar eichi.posts*gmx.ch Stefan Eichinger engler*texter.ch Stefan Engler etienne*imp.ch Stefan Hauser fabian*linda.ch Fabian Rahm Felix.Rauch*Nice.CH Felix Rauch florian*spisla.ch Florian Spisla fredy*kuenzler.ch Fredy Kuenzler fritz.lehmann*gmx.ch Fritz Lehmann geiser*dial.eunet.ch Matthias Geiser gonzo_ch*gmx.net Roman Weber h.slama*gmx.net Heribert Slama happl.oberlin*iname.com Hanspeter Oberlin helmut*schacher.org helmut schacher Hubert.Wachter*unifr.ch Hubert Wachter imhof*email.ch Daniel Imhof jud*excite.com Roger Jud jung*mails.ch Hansruedi Jung kamelhaar*hotmail.com Klaus Kamelhaar kocher*swissonline.ch Stephan Kocher lrotta*access.ch Luigi Rotta marco.schnueriger*computer-trade.ch Marco Schnüriger Markus.Notter*bluewin.ch Markus Notter martin.lenz*1818.ch Martin Lenz martin*jaggi.ch Martin Jaggi mgeyer*gmx.ch Michael Geyer michael.bleichenbacher*switzerland.org Michael Bleichenbacher michael*muelly.ch Michael Muelly mikeller*iiic.ethz.ch Michael Keller mn_silumkin*gmx.net Lukas Mäder mueller*active.ch Martin Müller (mueller*active.ch) nicolas*iselin.ch Nicolas Iselin nnyffp*ascom.ch Philipp Nyffenegger Pascal.Kocher*ascom.ch Pascal C. Kocher patrick.sprecher*systor.com Patrick Sprecher pc*mindworks.ch Patrick Clerc Peter.Neff*mediatex.ch Peter Neff phaegi*mimir.ch Philipp Hägi philipph*access.ch Philipp Höfliger pkormann*datacomm.ch Patrick Kormann pstadelmann*datacomm.ch Philipp Stadelmann r.beyeler*rhone.ch R. Beyeler rensch*balcab.ch Martin Rensch reto.hotz*gmx.net Reto Hotz rolf.heller*magnet.at Rolf Heller roman_r*writeme.com Roman Racine rotor*technologist.com Markus Hofer s.gratwohl*gmx.ch Simon Gratwohl s.neupert*hitline.ch Stefan Neupert sam*trash.net Simon Ramseier schlauri*pobox.com Simon Schlauri schneibel*iqe.phys.ethz.ch Hanspeter Schneibel sneaky56*gmx.net Portmann spam*8304.ch Olivier Müller starhan*gmx.net Franz -STAR- Starhan startree*datacomm.ch Dominique Stern sternli*gmx.net Family Stern ***** Sven.Kirmess*gmx.net Sven Kirmess the_sempre*stonewell.cx Gabriel Krummenacher thomasb*trash.net Thomas Bader urs.gfeller*freesurf.ch Urs Gfeller urs.steiner*switzerland.org Urs Steiner utz*pflock.de Utz Pflock uwe*uwi.ch Uwe Mueller vote-de*kholdan.snafu.de Tobias erle werner*cyberlink.ch Daniel Werner wiwi*progon.com Christian Wittenhorst worte*gmx.at Matthias Gutfeldt Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ marcel.piller*ubs.com ! 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